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feminism is marxism

Your previous point as I understand it, is that Feminism is socialist but not Marxist. "First, not all socialism is Marxism, there are democratic socialists, Leninists, Maoists et cetera. Feminism may be similar to socialism, but it is not equal in meaning to socialism, and it is very different from Marxism." You further extend this by making Marxism conditional on an advesarial relationship between men and women in this statement: "These ideas aren't intended to hurt men, nor are they intended to make women the ruling class," A second argument is made that my perceptions of what the feminist movement aims at are not the same as Marxists goals in this statement: " they want a) women to be treated the same as men b) as they are mostly liberals, they want liberal ideas, does that surprise you?"" All socialism is Marxism. Socialism as a economic model is conditional on two primary pillars of Marxism; specifically the identification of unequal classes and the use of force to redistribute economic output. Whether that socialism is only 10% of the economy or 100%, it is still the forced redistribution of economic output. Whether you want to define the class as the proletariate, economical disadvantaged, oppressed masses etc. it all boils down to the same thing: specifically that the state forces a transfer of economic output from one class to another. Note that whether or not the firm is worker owned or privately owned is irrelevant as the end result is the same. Let us consider wiki regarding Marxism: While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share: * a belief that capitalism is based on the exploitation[5] of workers by the owners of capital * a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects the dominant ideology which is in turn shaped by material conditions and relations of production * an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations * an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable * a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change * a belief that this dialectical historical process will ultimately result in a replacement of the current class structure of society with a system that manages society for the good of all, resulting in the dissolution of the class structure and its support (more often than not including the nation state) In every point, feminism is fits the Marxist model. Point one: exploitation of women by men point two: feminist assault on family (read economic specialization necessitated when people have children) Point three: same as point two Point four: Mentioned in my previous post regarding the view of all things being caused by the environment (ie. patriarchy) Point five: Which wave of feminism are we in now? Point Six: Men and women are equal. The 'liberalism' that you mention. Liberalism: The current left are socialist and marxists. They desire the redistribution of wealth and economic output and are willing to use the power of the state to enforce it. To argue that liberals and feminist in particular want equal opportunity is not correct. What they desire is equality of outcomes. This is not the same thing. Implicit in socialist policies is the definition of classes. Redistribution is designed to take from the 'haves' to the 'have nots' to the degree that the current powers are able to maintain political power. In each of the socialist areas I mentioned in my previos post, a 'class' is identified and force is being placed to bear on other classes to provide the resources claimed by the 'disadvantaged class'. Whether a coup is successful without a shot does not mean it is not a coup. You argue there are meaningful differences between Marxism and Marxism light. At the end of the day, I see no differences.