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Faith is Universal

3rd round, Going strong here! Sorry if I assumed your gender, Some people might not appreciate that as I used he. Without further ado, My opponent states firstly states that Faith itself is beyond the properties of humanity, And not a mere abstraction. And compares it to a sense of logic. But, As you can see here my opponent represents "Divine Creator and Lawgiver. " As well as the Bible. Implying that the even if this is only an example, They are already narrowing down these options. Making it less universal. And more tied to very slim historical and cultural norms within this setting. The important thing is the disambiguation and abstract nature my opponent brings up, Comparing Faith to Logic. Saying that they are in turn, Beyond human and can be represented physically, But are not physical objects. However, Logic itself is closely tied to ONE true code of provable and observable standards. Logic itself, Is tied to the objective rather than subjective reality. Meaning it exists beyond the corruption of ideals and morals, As truth aligns itself with no morality. And logic follows suit. Thusly, We can assume that Faith is not as unto logic. As if so, As Logic advances conversely so would religion. In this fact, Religion would be able to have a same sense of Moral logic being applied. However, Religion itself is very different in cultures, And seems to advance on a different trail than science and logic. Faith for sure exists, But is not as Universally consistent or beyond human conventions as logic. My opponent in their 4th paragraph admitted once again to a materialist definition of faith. Just trusting in something. Which does not coincide with the argument they present later in their case. No common sense admits that Faith is tangible, But neither does any logic point to it being beyond any usual morals or virtues and sins. Faith is immaterial, Just not an immaterial reality that everyone has the same of as you stated in your first resolution. You cannot simplify the definition now, As you chose to argue on these grounds at the beginning of the debate. You are not out to prove that Faith is immaterial or intangible, It is both of those things. But, You must also prove it is a Universal Reality. And so far, We have no consistency on this factor. The universe contains everything we can conceptualize and perceive, And many things that with our current lenses we fail to understand. Thusly, While morals, Philosophies and religion may be intangible, They are not on a separate plane. And if "Faith seems to exist as properties of persons, Not as mere abstractions. " Then it would seem to have a similarity within itself. But, Faith itself is shown and perceived in different ways. It may be universal, But it is indescribable, And being abstract is something that cannot under any circumstance, Always keep the same definition and form in all contexts. We can describe an orange as an orange, Because we can perceive it's entity. But, We could describe Faith as Trust, Loyalty or a plethora of other traits. They are interchangeable, And defined by those who use them. Making it impossible to pin a single, Consistent Immaterial Reality that is universal and provable regardless of your worldview. In conclusion, Faith cannot be consistent in form. And is abstract, Which doesn't allow it to be consistent in worldview. Making my opponents resolution impossible. My opponent uses the Bible and Ultimate Creator as examples, And provides no other lenses to view this case. Thusly, One might find Christianity the only and most logical/moral solution. However, Taoists, Muslims, Jews and a multitude of other religions would disagree. And finally, Faith is not tied to an objective reality as logic is, But a subjective lens. So comparing the two is comparing Apples, And Quantum Physics. Two levels of complexities. Thusly, Con is winning the round. Thank you very much for all of your time, And can't wait for the next round!