• CON

    When both use the same comparison to agree with the parts...

    Modern Feminism is Not Needed in America

    If Pro wanted to use the common method rather than after the argument he would have followed the guidelines set forth in the new member’s sticky “In addition, when typing your debate argument, there is a common way of citing sources on DDO. In your argument, when you have just typed an argument that references a source, you simply put a number in brackets [1] like so. [1] References the source listed below as #1. This is the same source citing technique Wikipedia uses. [2]” http://www.debate.org... By calling it out he implies that he doesn’t want to put the sources at the end of the round but rather at the end of the argument. It’s poor conduct that he is refuses to bracket the location where the source is used, thereby adding to confusion in his posts. So I will continue to follow the rules set forth at the beginning and link my sources after the arguments rather than at the end of the round. Mutual blame – Pro chose the topics of the debate then he chose my position on those topics. A position which I did not take, and he has NOT proven in any way that these are the prevailing views of feminism. This is a baseless unsubstituted claim that should be dismissed out of hand. Even if it was accepted the debate did NOT require me to take a stance of his choosing so that he has an easy time defeating that stance. On TOP of that in R1 I was already objecting to the Rape Culture, and Pro still used that strawman. Pro has been dishonest throughout this whole debate. Wage Gap “42 minutes less” and “21% less” compares all female jobs against all male jobs. Pro cannot support one as valid data and the other not. To say the 21% wage gap isn’t valid because it’s not specific to the job, but still hold that 42 minutes less a day is valid even though it’s not specific to the job is dishonest. The point being if you don’t believe every job should be paid the same you should believe that every job should work the same number of hours. When both use the same comparison to agree with the parts that support your point of view, while disagreeing with the parts that don’t is dishonest. Either the comparison is valid or it is not. Also, I want to add both of my sources consider several factors beyond job title. The go into background, experience, education, region, and a many more things that define merit. They do NOT simply compare the same job titles. Read either of the articles. Although both articles discuss uncontrolled data, they also discuss controlled data which takes these other factors into account to come up with the 5 – 8% wage gap. Equal Opportunity Pro did not dispute my statements about the opportunity of women to become a CEO. So, the point stands. A specific wage gap but rather the wage gap as a whole? There is only one valid wage gap in my opinion, and that is the wage gap that compares apples to apples. I do not feel that comparing all women’s pay to all men’s pay is a valid wage gap. I’m not sure why you continue with this strawman. I am not, nor have I ever argued that the 21% wage gap is valid. That is not the wage gap as a whole, because… it’s not valid. The 5 – 8% isn’t a specific wage gap… it’s the only valid wage gap. It’s the whole wage gap. Please STOP trying to create a position that you can easily defeat and try to force me to defend it. This is a strawman fallacy, and it is dishonest. If you really felt like the “wage gap as a whole” is 21% you would NOT be on my side of this argument, but you don’t, and you aren’t. Please stop. Rape 2.1/1000 does equal .0021 but that’s not .0021 percent, that’s .21% as I previously showed. As you seem to need a calculator here is a link to one proving you are wrong, and dishonest. https://percentagecalculator.net... Pro did not and has not disputed that women are rape unequally to men. This argument goes to Con. Female Representation Pro has agreed that females are not equally represented in media. (even the media he’s cherry picked) Equality does not exist in any of these forms of entertainment even when women consume more of that form of entertainment. In conclusion, I spent the majority of this debate trying to bring the debate from what Pro wants my position to be to what my position actually is. He has falsified numbers, he has uses sources that both of us agree are invalid, and cherry picked the data all in a dishonest attempt to prove his points. Feminism is defined as equality, so if any of the arguments prove that inequality exists, then Feminism is needed in America. I believe I’ve proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that inequality does exist, and if inequality exists then Feminism is needed.